VHS-DVD Player D-VR5SU

[againploughman]

wither

I assume the the manual referred to on the following page is the one for your VHS-DVD Player

http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/su...lFamily=2797342.

If so, then om page 7 it may have some explanation of the differences, ( This is my assumption and I ll stand to be corrected)

1 DVD-Video, according to page 9, appears to imply that it is a commercial Video disc

2 DVD-RW in VR mode, seems to imply that the Video disc is written in VR mode (.VRO).

3 DVD-RW in Video mode, seems to imply that the Video disc is written in VF mode (.VTS).

See the image .

Please ignore the reference to DVDCAM, I have yet to find out what this refers to. I assume it has something to doi with the fact that the camcorder has the facility of a SD card, which could possibly store a set of video files

Browsing the manual it would appear that one mode can have a PLAY-LIST while the other does not.

So that we are discussing the same files types would it be possible for you to generate a copy of disc and check their file extensions

This post has been edited by againploughman: Apr 19 2012, 03:34 PM

[wither]

As I mentioned before, it is a .vro. Seems to me that I made many annotations in the manual to clarify things but I don't have it readily available.

[againploughman]

wither

So what you are saying is that you used your recorder to transfer videos from VHS tapes to a DVD disc using the RECORDER in .VRO format.

This is the format that NERO does not recognise as being a VIDEO, at least a USER can not burn the files to another disc, from a disc with this type of VIDEO format.

Yes I know that Nero Vision may be able to read the format into it program to allow a USER to edit it, but we are then changing to conform to NERO DEFAULT configuration of VTS_ files.

The only routine, which in my opinion is limited, is the COPY facility. Then this will only COPY the COMPLETE disc. Video DATA and CRAP in the case of a RW type of disc.

I am sure that of the 1.7, more or less, do not Video files from other sources that conform to NERO's DEFAULT standards.

Hitachi is associated with HLDS, (which I believe stands for Hitachi-LG-Data-Systems) who are a partner of Nero, development of Securdisc Drives and Software, then I would have considered it to be essential part that Nero recognises the files generated by Hitachi on there products.

[wither]

To answer your first comment, yes.

Okay. I had a little time this morning.

I took the DVD-VR and copied it using V11 Burning Rom, DVD Copy. I don't know if it made any difference but, under the Reading Options, I changed the Profile from DVD-Video to User Defined since an editable disc is not a DVD-Video. The copy plays beautifully.

[againploughman]

wither

Thanks for taking the time to verify that your files from the transformation from VHS to DVD is a .vro file and if this is so then we can agree that it is a DVD-VIDEO disc.

I am afraid I can not agree with you that a 'FINALISED' disc produced by a 3rd party is editable, whether it consists of .VRO or VTS_ files. To do this one needs the facility of a program or another device, such as a DVD RECORDER. Which then has to have the files resident within the facility, program or DVD RECORD. Thus a disc containing VTS_ files are EDITABLE, once they have been read into a facility.

I find that when I open Nero 11 'COPY' option the program automatically open on the 'BURN' tab, which has the 'FINALISE' option selected and is 'GRAYED', which I take to mean that it is a DEFAULT condition. As this is the DEFAULT condition of the program, i do not think I have troubled to change any other settings for the program procedure. But following your statement I have checked the 'READ OPTION' tab and found it to be set to 'USER DEFINED'.

So at this point it would seem that you and I can COPY a disc from a 3 rd party source, which can be played on other devices.

But you have not confirmed whether the original disc was a DVD + or - RW unit, nor whether the destination disc is the same type or a different type.

Secondly, if you agree that the disc produced is a DVD-Video, then a USER should be able to use the the DVD-VIDEO option of the program, to select the files on the origin disc and burn them to another disc. At this point I have found that this option is not acceptable as the original disc files are not acceptable. This facility was tried, to overcome my original problem, the COPY facility FAILING because of a COPY FAILURE (READ ERROR ) of the original disc.

I believe I have covered this in another THREAD, the problem was found to be outside the DATA/VIDEO area of the disc, according to Nero DiscSpeed, so I will not procedure with my comment otherwise we shall cover old GROUND.

This post has been edited by againploughman: Apr 24 2012, 04:38 AM

[wither]

It's not a DVD-Video disc. Two completely different animals.

I had burned it originally to DVD-RW and copied it to like disc. I think I've noted that you need a (-) type disc for DVD-VR and a (+) type disc for DVD+VFR.

[againploughman]

wither

As you appear to spend many hours on you PC, Laptops etc, you must have great experience of many aspects of Applications and the DATA that they produce and all the hardware involved in todays technological world

You have stated that the disc produced recently consisted of .VRO files and that it plays satisfactory on you PC and I assume on other DVD players. To do the later the disc has to be FINALISED

Thus I would greatly appreciate you explaining to me why you consider that a DVD disc containing files, either VR or VF formats which have been FINALISED is not a DVD-VIDEO.

If it is not a DVD-VIDEO what is the FORMAT for this type of disc and what type of animal is a DVD-VIDEO.

I believe that FINALISATION of a disc, means that no alteration can be made to the disc, no matter what format the the files are.

I have BROWSED through the manual associated with my DVD PLAYER/RECORDER and it would appear that if a Commercial DVD seems to be classified as a DVD-VIDEO because it has the facility of accommodating multiple languages.

To me, a USER utilizing todays equipment, I can produce a DVD in whatever format, VR or VF, with AUDIO in the local language, then it is a DVD-VIDEO.

I would like to draw your attention to page 137 of the current Nero Video Manuel, the subject being

11.2.1Overview of Compatibility Between Disc Formats and Discs.

Yes there is reference to DVD-VFR and DVD+VR formats and the type of disc is suitable for them.

But this does not alter the fact that the 3½ DVD-RW used when DUBBING the contents of the HDD to a DVD can be done in either VR or VF format and are FINALISED to be played on a DVD PLAYER.



This post has been edited by againploughman: Apr 25 2012, 06:14 AM

[wither]

DVD-Video and DVD-VR are standards with different specifications. We don't have access to the specs unless we want to pay for them. DVD-VR is not DVD-Video compliant and won't play on some players. DVD+VR is closer to DVD-Video and should play on most players. However, DVD+RW discs don't have to be finalized to be played but DVD+R disc do have to be finalized. As I understand it, DVD+VR can also have menus.

Then there's VFR which is just variable frame rate.

We're really stretching my understanding of this stuff.

[againploughman]

wither

Thanks for your reply.

Your quote 'DVD-VR ........and won't play on some players' sounds as if has been taken from some manufactures literature about the facility.

Before I raised this query I tried a 12 cm copy of a .VRO format video disc in a number of Players and TV Combo's, I believe all played it satisfactory.

This now bring me back to 'DVD-VR is not DVD-Video compliant'. If the files are not classified as Video and burning a copy of the files as DATA, is not recognised as a VIDEO by some player, then what are they. Nero does not recognise the original disc a VIDEO.

Thus I am unable to overcome my original problem which started the THREAD(S). That is the original 3½ (8cm) disc played satisfactory, but I was unable to copy it to 12 cm disc because of BAD-SPOTS outside the Video/DATA area.

This again raise the question that the 3½ DVD-RW disc with .VRO files from the camcorder, FINALISED is recognised by Nero 11Vision as being FINALISED. But the same disc with .VTS_ files is not recognised as being FINALISED.

I accept your previous statement that .VRO files are acceptable on -R or -RW media.

Unfortunately, I am not able, at present, to confirm whether I can format a 3½ DVD+RW disc and store files in either mode.

This post has been edited by againploughman: Apr 25 2012, 10:36 PM

[wither]

I didn't say that the DVD-VR aren't video. I said they they are not DVD-Video. DVD-Video is a specification for a type of disc, much like a DVD-ROM. To get the exact specifications, you have to lay some money down to see the contents of the red book or yellow book or......

[againploughman]

wither

To be quite honest I am not particular interested about all this RUBBISH about video formats.

My sole interest is that I have disc's, either produced by a camcorder or a Domestic Recorder with .VRO file format which are playable on a number of PLAYERS.

The problem is that I can not Copy some, using Nero Routines, because the copy function ABORTS due the process finds BAD-SPOTS outside the video DATA area.

Nero Rescue Agent recovers all the files from the DAMAGED disc's, which then RESIDES on my HARD DRIVE. At this point I am satisfied, but then I can not get this information, which effectively is still a VIDEO combination of files, back on to a DVD using Nero ROUTINES for DVD VIDEO, at this least this would allow me to keep the some form of duplication of the original disc with there TIME STAMP of the segments of the video.

Using any other Nero Application I believe would loss this information as in will be converted from .VRO to the COMMERCIAL standard of VTS_ format and thus will have a NEW TIME STAMP

As Nero is a consumer product, I would expect it to accommodate all video formats from whatever source, not to be confined to the COMMERCIAL market standards.

I would also like you to remember that recently I expected a problem with the files from the camcorder which involved the VTS_ format which could not be burnt because the .IFO and .BUP were not the same size, yet again the disc was playable.

After being, what I consider to be a LOYAL USER, I am definitely getting a VERY DISSATISFIED User.

BTW did you accept the disc produced when transferring your VHS tapes to a DVD, as a DVD VIDEO.



This post has been edited by againploughman: Apr 26 2012, 05:56 AM

[wither]

I'm glad you're not interested in the video formats. What I've said is about all I know without searching the web until I find more detailed information.

I don't know what you mean by "accept". The recorder just burned them as DVD-VR. I can convert it to DVD-Video in NV.

You've done what you can with the problem disc. As soon as you copy the files to your hdd, Windows changes the dates of the files. I don't think you can get around that with any software. You can choose Date Created to display in Windows Explorer but I don't think it means the dates of the files on the disc. If you're talking about a date/time stamp that appears on the video itself, that shouldn't change as a result of the copy or rescue operation. I would think it is embedded in the video and wouldn't be something in the .ifo file.