Grouping items permanently

[robert58]

Hi guys!
I can't seem to find in the Nero Video 11 manual where it says how you can permanently group e.g. a video clip and its sound files so they always stick together. I know you can H-lassoo them, then V-move them - but that's not quite the same...
Any hints?
Thanks!

[wither]

The answer would depend on the context of your question. What is it? For example, are you talking about while on the timeline or when you save a file?

[hg-dude]

Move these clips in a free video track, disable all other tracks (with the eye button) and export with the same settings the project has. Then import this file and replace with it the clips group on the timeline. You can leave this group in the other track. But for further editing, export or transcoding/burning the project you have to disable this track.

[hg-dude]

A feedback would be appriciated :blink: .

[robert58]

Hi Guys
Whither - group a video clip, its soundtrack music clips and the titles that go over it. (I make 'how-to' music harmony videos which you can see on MisterMusicarta's YouTube channel.)
hg-dude - sure yourwork-around works, but too samizdat for me. Most programs you can lasso and control-G to group or something like. Not Nero?
P.S. I might be in a different time zone to you and this forum technology doesn't offer a notify-me service so sorry if I'm slow getting back to you.

[hg-dude]

. . . . hg-dude - sure yourwork-around works, but too samizdat for me. Most programs you can lasso and control-G to group or something like. Not Nero?

Tell me one of these programs. Probably you did mean vector-oriented software such as Corel Draw, where you can summarize (means include/exclude) objects within the same level in groups with a Lasso and control-g. A nonsense is to demand for such a function in a video mastering software. You will find no such program that offers this feature except for NV, where it only serves to group objects within one level - superfluous, because for it you use string-shift.

In video editing is not the summary of individual objects, which can be also at different levels (tracks), required but a section in the timeline, which includes all levels (tracks). This may be just a part of a clip, for a certain purpose (e.g. playback) which must be marked for that. To do so you have to set a marker in Adobe Premiiere (e.g.) on the time scale at the beginning and end of this part. You can now render only this section. The result is located in a so-called program track and stored in 2 files (video and audio) you can use individually. And that exactly is what I've simulated because there is no such a special track in NV, in which you can put rendered sections. It is the only way to keep a video section synchronized.

There is no other option in this case, whether it suits you or not. Forget this Lasso solution, that would be a nonsense from the point of view of the technology. But if you would request something like this program track for pre-rendering, as mentioned above, I would immediately agree and also a large number of other users. This would be a huge step forward for NV, because we would then have not these problems like now with the rendering processes.

PS, take a look to your thread Actual video size yjay gets exported I have ad a reply there.

This post has been edited by hg-dude: Jun 17 2012, 10:55 AM

[wither]

Robert58- You can export a portion of the timeline to file, any time you wish in v10 and v11. You end up with a video with all the effects. I don't know if this is what you're after.

[hg-dude]

wither, that's just that, what I suggested in in #3 above. May be you didn't understand and robert58 also. It seems to "samizdat" for him, whatever it means. Sometimes I would like to quit my work on the forum. I am spending hours for explaining impossibility of solutions users are expecting. And then they don't accept, forcing discussions for nothing or do not accept with any reasons as shown here.

As it's not possible to export parts of the video stream (e.g. a group of clips), - not in Nero 10 (Nero Vision Xtra), there will be always the complete (!) stream exported -, the usual way for partial pre rendering requires a project for each part. I described a technique exporting and then importing those parts in the overall project. The advantage, the entire structure of the timeline (of the video stream) is maintained.

If there is a possibility in Nero 11 (Nero Video) for partially export, please let me know. I am very interested of.

Anyway, I think it would be an theme for a new blog.

This post has been edited by hg-dude: Jun 17 2012, 02:37 PM

[wither]

To export a portion of the Timeline, right click on the time scale (gray area) of the Timeline. Select Enable Workspace. You can then move the markers to encompass the area that you would like to export and then export. It's one of the best kept secrets in Nero Vision\Video and I think it's very useful.

It doesn't pay to get frustrated because people won't do what you suggest because it happens all the time. Ditto for threads that end with no indication from the original creator of the thread as to how things worked out.

[robert58]

Hi guys
Thanks for you input. I'm just working round it H. V, H, V - tedious, but there you go! Thanks again!

[hg-dude]

Fine now ! Although it's no longer needed, here some additional stuff to this theme. But at first



Yes, that is probably connected with my age. If something not found in a SW as it is used by other software, you are just automatically lookinga for custom solution. I use functions from the pop-up list of the time scale relatively often. But for "Enable Workspace" I have found so far no meaningful application. Actually I would have to come myelf out when I would remind me on the understanding of this function in the manual. There is, namely stated, that you could burn a DVD, for example, with the selected range. This is equivalent to export, - in both cases is rendered and transcoded. In this sense your note was therefore very valuable for me. Therefore my very special thanks to you. It points to other possibilities for the use of this function, which as mentioned before, I will deal in a blog. So I have already on Sunday (between ironing shirts, preparing dinner, brief views of the state of the football matches of the European Championship and the Greek elections and last but not least taking some shots of this beautiful sundown) created this screenshot below. Track 4 contains the exported part, which was marked as workspace, at the same location in the stream as the source. I believe wither, that this is along with your instructions what imagined robert58.

As a comparison I have added here a screenshot of the application window of my DV-mastering tool where you see a similar functionality as "Workspace" (yellow marked area) and what you can create from (the entry in the program tracks VP and AP) as described above. Furhtermore, as the time marker is positioned on a transition, you see the options window(s) for this transition, - much more comfortable then in NV. And all this in a SW which is meanwhile 12 years old ! This software was the ancestor for all future products of this type, such as for Adobe Premiere.





Regards to all

Hans-Gerhard

This post has been edited by hg-dude: Jun 18 2012, 05:16 PM

[wither]

robert58- I hope, from your comment, that this is what you were looking for.

Hg-dude- glad you could see a use for this function. I just think that it should be enabled differently in the software. I mean, how many people know to right click on the Timeline scale unless they did deeply into the help file and happen to find it.

[hg-dude]

whither, you are right. I think most users don't be aware of the existance of such a functionality. And if so, they are not able see the possibilities behind. And there are a lot. And for that would be my blog.

The window shown in the screenshot above would be the base, on which I would like to explain how to prepare (with this additional track) the user interface for subsequent actions.

The first, as most important theme will be the use of this functionality for prerendering edited parts of the videostream as I am assuming that therein is the greatest benefit of this function in the application. It can help solving problems with rendering under certain circumstnances (e.g. system resources availability, reducing runtime of the final transcoding process etc.).

Another theme will be creating titles from parts of the video stream, if you want to build a new structure of this or a new version of this DVD.

I will post this blog under the main title "Nero Vision unlimited" (see http://hg-dude.my.nero.com/blog/7511522 ), under which I will publish tutorials explaining (by workflow and instructions) complex resp. sometimes hidden facilities of Nero products preferrably of NV on which I am most familar with.

As I have written in this blog also other authors can resp. should join this project as it will be an important advantage for us, the supporting people, because in future it would no longer be necessary explaining complex solutions in the threads, it is a reference (link) to the relevant tutorial enough then.

What about your cooperation ? You could contribute much useful based on your experience.

[wither]

As much as I would like to provide whatever help I could with your endeavor, there's not enough time in the day for me. That's the reason I haven't gone through the MVP program. Just too many other things to do and, of course, relaxation time. Thanks for the invitation though.

I liked the video in your blog.